| Well if MK Ultra is the full extent then having done LSD I'm not too worried about it lol. I think there's a lot of brainwashing and conspiracy in this world but I don't think any one party has the upper hand. |
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| You're describing capitalism. I know it's boring to fight against a system and not super villains, but that's how it is. The upper class is somewhat organized to get power over others, but they still compete with each other's interests, so there's no real Council of Supreme Lizard Dominion ruling everything all of the time. You got to understand that our "elite" is actually made of pretty fucking stupid people. Musk is the richest fool in the world, but he sits on a capital that crushes us with blind cold logic, just to grow itself by the day. It's not an individual issue, it's a systemic one. For a starter, make it impossible for some to own billions while others starve, and you'll take a step in less absurdity, without having to search for evil masters to fight. If you show enough numbers by doing so, you have real power, nothing will be stronger than that. Each and every social battle was won this way. |
MoonspeakAug 9, 2023 5:19 AM
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| No, there isn't a secret world government controlling everything behind the shadows, the media isn't a monolith, the earth is neither flat nor hollow, 9/11 did indeed happen and most likely wasn't an inside job, billionaires don't have nearly as much influence as people think, Epstein didn't kill himself, and aliens most likely exist but haven't found us (nor have we found them). |
149597871 said: No, there isn't a secret world government controlling everything behind the shadows, the media isn't a monolith, the earth is neither flat nor hollow, 9/11 did indeed happen and most likely wasn't an inside job, billionaires don't have nearly as much influence as people think, Epstein didn't kill himself, and aliens most likely exist but haven't found us (nor have we found them). Wow, an almost perfect post, but I think that there was a slip-of-the-keyboard become Epstein did actually kill himself. https://apnews.com/article/jeffrey-epstein-jail-suicide-prison-death-8d194a756f2b429067f009a0c70f96c0 |
| Real talk: If any of you guys really figured it out...wouldn't you be dead? |
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| Yeah, done a fair amount of research and i do believe there is hidden agenda for the whole world by some shadow government. Global depopulation, universal identification / "mark of the beast", dumbing down of the masses, etc seem to be some of the ongoing projects. Not to mention hidden advanced technologies, kidnappings / traffickings, sacrifices, rituals etc. |
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| Is it really such a secret anymore? I'm pretty sure they made their presence known. |
| Also lol at capitalism stuff. You guys know right that when there were ACTUAL Fascists Liberal Democracies allied with the Soviet Union. |
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An area of example might be healthcare: the government push for dependency on medicine/pharmaceutical companies, and have killed numerous holistic doctors who've found alternative medicines and cure for cancer etc through "suicide". Also for highly controversial stuff that can't be fixed with "suicide" would be countered by using the "conspiracy theorists" term (invented by CIA) to label those people as crazy via mass media. |
XavionAug 9, 2023 10:10 AM
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vasipi4946 said: Also lol at capitalism stuff. You guys know right that when there were ACTUAL Fascists Liberal Democracies allied with the Soviet Union. Literally the only thing you have to do to come across as someone who "gets it" in this day and age, is to say "muh corporations", or "muh capitalism". Meanwhile socialist governments literally have propaganda ministries. Commies are fucking idiots. |
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StarfireDragon said: I mean like...we could've had the Fascists wipe out the Soviet Union...which was the only Communist nation there was at the time...instead we gave them everything and let them have...you know...Poland...which was the reason for World War 2...actually we gave them all of Eastern Europe.vasipi4946 said: Also lol at capitalism stuff. You guys know right that when there were ACTUAL Fascists Liberal Democracies allied with the Soviet Union. Literally the only thing you have to do to come across as someone who "gets it" in this day and age, is to say "muh corporations", or "muh capitalism". Meanwhile socialist governments literally have propaganda ministries. Commies are fucking idiots. Like...what was the point of WW2 man. |
Mao said: If you have to shit, shit! If you have to fart, fart! |
Moonspeak said: For a starter, make it impossible for some to own billions while others starve, and you'll take a step in less absurdity, without having to search for evil masters to fight. Socialism has never lead to a society where people don't starve. It has lead to misallocation of resources, which leads to shortages, and, indeed, starvation. Maybe if you were the benevolent dictator, you would have it all figured out, but for the rest of us socialism has been a catastrophic failure at allocating resources, and has not led to thos utopia where no one starved, and never will. |
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| I can't really believe any of that when I watch my country's government and politicians. Or some other countries' politicians. Reality is more likely just a lot more dull and a lot more dumb. |
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Moonspeak said: You're describing capitalism. I know it's boring to fight against a system and not super villains, but that's how it is. The upper class is somewhat organized to get power over others, but they still compete with each other's interests, so there's no real Council of Supreme Lizard Dominion ruling everything all of the time. You got to understand that our "elite" is actually made of pretty fucking stupid people. Musk is the richest fool in the world, but he sits on a capital that crushes us with blind cold logic, just to grow itself by the day. It's not an individual issue, it's a systemic one. For a starter, make it impossible for some to own billions while others starve, and you'll take a step in less absurdity, without having to search for evil masters to fight. If you show enough numbers by doing so, you have real power, nothing will be stronger than that. Each and every social battle was won this way. Bingo. A quick look at any history book will tell the same tales: The rich have always used their unjust powers to ruin the world for their own benefit. Forcing the poor to kill each other to steal other's wealth was common, but as democracies have grown (and by extension, the power of the working class), we've seen this less and less. The rich have always supported slavery, and it has only stopped in countries when governments who support the workers stepped in to outlaw it. The same can be said for polluting water ways, child labor, inhumane working conditions, and more and more and more and more. Every major problem civilizations have overcome has been because of the common man working together to tell the rich to f-off, and if we work together we can tell them to screw off for good! |
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MrRogersWife said: No, the reason Slavery is no longer happening is because part of slavery is TAKING CARE OF THE SLAVES. Which means feeding them, giving them a place to sleep, and etc. Moonspeak said: You're describing capitalism. I know it's boring to fight against a system and not super villains, but that's how it is. The upper class is somewhat organized to get power over others, but they still compete with each other's interests, so there's no real Council of Supreme Lizard Dominion ruling everything all of the time. You got to understand that our "elite" is actually made of pretty fucking stupid people. Musk is the richest fool in the world, but he sits on a capital that crushes us with blind cold logic, just to grow itself by the day. It's not an individual issue, it's a systemic one. For a starter, make it impossible for some to own billions while others starve, and you'll take a step in less absurdity, without having to search for evil masters to fight. If you show enough numbers by doing so, you have real power, nothing will be stronger than that. Each and every social battle was won this way. t has only stopped in countries when governments who support the workers stepped in to outlaw it. With wages you aren't taking care of them. If they starve or don't have a place to sleep it's their fault. |
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| I mean we all know that money makes the world go round, so yeah I believe there's shady stuff but not the Illuminati kind of stuff, I don't think it's that organized. @vasipi4946 Slavery is still happening The Walk Free Foundation reported in 2018 that 40.3 million people worldwide live in conditions that can be described as slavery. According to the foundation, more than 400,000 of those are in the United States. Also if this info is correct slavery has increased not decreased 12.5 million Africans were shipped to the New World. 10.7 million survived the dreaded Middle Passage, disembarking in North America, the Caribbean and South America. And how many of these 10.7 million Africans were shipped directly to North America? Only about 388,000. |
DeeplyTragicAug 9, 2023 2:11 PM
| No, don't buy most of this stuff. Most of the vices of the news media are vices of the public. The news gives the people what they want. It's very democratic that way. The TV news, for instance, has their bottom line come from maximizing eyeballs on their programing because that's what lets them charge more for advertisements. If you want to know why the news covers negative news items more than it does positive ones, that's because people actually watch more when there's a negative news cycle. Why does political news seem partisan? Because people who consume news are partisans who want skewed talking points. Consider that these elements are also at play on Twitter and YouTube where the algorithms are being trained to keep you there for as long as possible. Meanwhile when political scientists try to find evidence of things like money winning elections or lobbying affecting government policies, the evidence is pretty limited to things like modifying details in legislation, with the legislation being overall very popular with the public. Leftists will of course overplay the extent to which large moneyed interests control everything by gaming the system. The major flaw in their reasoning is that in many instances, even if you accept the idea that money has influence, some capitalists will be for a form of government favoritism and others will be against it. When America imposes steel tariffs, steel producers like the move because it cuts off competition and lets them raise prices. Businesses that use steel as an input like manufacturing and construction hate the move because a cost of doing business has increased. To address one particular conspiracy of yours, that there is a world wide effort to drop fertility, it is laughable. High income nations are actively trying to find ways to PREVENT drops in fertility. Consider all the failed efforts by the Singaporean government. More recently they have baby bonuses where they are literally paying people to have children up front in values in the $10k range. They're at 1.1 births per woman at the moment. When you see a trend that is happening across all relatively wealthy nations, even now in middle income nations, see Mexico now being below replacement, despite clear signs that governments are actually trying to prevent that from happening, you have to be pretty crazy to insist that this is all one group. Especially when there's some pretty simple alternative explanations. Women have access to birth control, giving birth was always painful, giving birth reduces future career prospects, and parents don't need children to have cash flow during retirement anymore. |
kuroava said: StarfireDragon said: yeah it is pretty much a scam, it doesnt take in account the human nature, if theres coruption in capitalism imagine in an environment where people are not allowed to criticize or check what the goverment and others are doingSocialism has never lead to a society where people don't starve. It has lead to misallocation of resources, which leads to shortages, and, indeed, starvation. Maybe if you were the benevolent dictator, you would have it all figured out, but for the rest of us socialism has been a catastrophic failure at allocating resources, and has not led to thos utopia where no one starved, and never will. This is more so a feature of civil rights, but yes I generally agree. There will always be corruption of course, in any economic model, but we have over a centuries worth of evidence to suggest that all attempts of implementing the socialist utopia have generally ended terribly. The only reason it is intellectually appealing is because it offers nice sounding things on paper, while logistically being unfeasible to implement |
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deg said: kuroava said: yeah it is pretty much a scam, it doesnt take in account the human nature, if theres coruption in capitalism imagine in an environment where people are not allowed to criticize or check what the goverment and others are doing government transparency and good regulation of economy is what lessens corruption and not capitalism that is profit over people so if anything capitalism has more reason to be corrupt for the sake of greed its just that a good government is stopping much of capitalisms corruption Not true. Heavy regulation of the economy is what leads to corruption. It's not easy for a small business to lobby congress as much as it is for a large corporation. The big companies will always be well equipped to deal with the regulations, all the while removing the alternatives that are not nearly as well equipped. "Good government" is a misnomer, since it looks at what the government should do, not what it is likely to do. |
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| I really think that reallity is more lame, there are probably a high concentration of people in charge of a lot of stuff, but I doubt there is like a global coherent agenda, stuff is mainly like this: - Elite business man just want more money at any cost - Elite politicians just want more power at any cost Now, I have been wrong before so Who knows? Back in 2010 if someone told you there was a pedophile island where rich people and politians went to do their "stuff" you would just laght at them or just consider it an "Horror story", now we know that is true. |
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| Most conspiracy theories are absurd. However a few are true. The ones that are true, are typically more trivial and banal. Stuff that can pass Occiam Razor test is likely true. Anyhow how about my original: Russia organized 9/11 to raise oil prices and make itself rich as world descended into War on Terror. I am not so inclined to blame every single rich guy for our problems, though there are exceptions such as Rupert Murdoch, Warren Buffet and Charlie Munger. |
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| I believe that whilst specific relations between various intelligence agencies, corporations and individual elites are largely unknown there is a general trend you can see society take and its very clearly to the advantage of one, very small, social class. The goal seems to be alienation and political stratification, a classic example of "divide and conquer" - making people more "individual" and plastic. This makes it easier to squeeze financial value out of them. Not people like Musk or Bezos, new money rich folk like that are useful idiots and the most influence they exert is through the media, but rather old money dynasties who have their pseudo-aristocratic hooks in institutions that actually shape geopolitics like the IMF. Some of the most intuitive evidence we have is institutional and monetary ties to various agendas, and its not hard to see these in an unfavourable light when knowing why they're "relevant" at all; drug and hook-up culture, enviromentalism, hypersexualisation and many others, all institutionally enforced. For a deeper look into the connection between the international drug trade and imperialism look into the journalism of Gary Webb, it hardly ended with the two Opium wars. We basically live in slavery - as someone pointed out, being a serf probably had less material freedoms due to technology but the way people are roped into constant debt (even as nations, not to mention as individuals) is effectively slavery and it hardly seems preferable to being a serf. Fractional reserve banking is a closed loop, there is no way out except total collapse. At least a serf only needed his eyes and common sense to grapple with the reality of his situation, we however need to waste time paper chasing, reading economic theory and keeping an ear to the ground for the next declassified report about a century old scandal that will be farted into obscurity. On a more individual basis, intelligence agencies (especially American ones) have a track record of inciting civilians to commit crimes (hurting other civilians in the process) for their own ideological ends. Most obvious example is the 2015 Garland, Texas incident where an FBI agent was goading a Islamic extremist to commit a shooting at an event and was in the car behind his, plainclothes, waiting with a phone in hand to record the incident... Naturally he got away with it and "social justice" talking points are more important than concrete evidence of the government having no problem in sacrificing its own people for abstract ideological clout. This is not an isolated event and I have no trouble procuring a list of similar events in America for anyone who is doubtful. Lets not forget that the infamous horror-story Unit 731 is only known to us in its present detail thanks to independent Japanese researchers and historians digging the incident up, after decades of the US and Japan trying to minimise it and granting immunity to those implicated. Up until the effort was put in, it was partly a conspiracy theory and some of the best evidence we had was the separate Soviet trials during which they granted immunity to none of the accused. It was the eastern equivalent of operation paperclip, which itself is far from a conspiracy theory. Probably the most evil example of a government cover up, to my knowledge, is the Dutroux affair; it is basically the European Equivalent of the Epstein case. My knowledge of it comes from the book "NATO’s Secret Armies" by Daniele Ganser and Joel van der Rejiden’s research into the Dutroux Affair for the Institute for the Study of Globalization and Covert Politics. I don't agree with their opinions on other matters but in this instance they use a lot of primary sources with undeniable effect. The long and short of it is that several young girls were abducted, forced to partake in sexual acts with numerous men (sometimes on video), and killed. The main accused was Marc Dutroux, who for an uneducated and unemployed man somehow enjoyed the ownership of several large properties. The Belgian government showed little interest in prosecuting the case, (the only person who gave a shit was the investigating magistrate and he was forced off the case) and the police actively supressed the investigation. Several witnesses were found dead days before their statements were expected in court, and troves of evidence were "lost". The mishandling of this case was so egregious that it motivated one of the largest protests in Belgian history. Dutroux had very strong ties with Jean-Michel Nihoul, a nightclub owner and upper class socialite with many friends in local and national politics (including one of the judges on the Dutroux case), and also an informant for the Belgian equivalent of the American Federal Bureau of Investigations. During his trial Dutroux said he was a low level member of a larger child trafficking organisation and that Nihoul directed his kidnappings. Nihoul died a free man in 2018 and Dutroux got an absurdly light sentence. Lolling at the anti-communist rhetoric in here btw. The CIA literally funded the Frankfurt school as a form of controlled opposition in an attempt to discredit communism as nihilistic identity politics, left behind fascist para-militaries all over Europe to "fight the Warsaw Pact states" (and NATO nation civilians apparently, as they terrorised and even sometimes murdered them. Some of these groups also have ties to the aforementioned European Epstein) and stocked the West German government (and NATO) with former Nazis. Hell, the legal system had more Nazis in it than during the actual war. These same war criminal lawyers and jurists helped set the legal precedent for the Holocaust. You can argue about what sounds good "only on paper [smirk]" all you like, but the bottom line is that thousands of people have died and toiled in dead-end back breaking jobs so their tax money can be used to infiltrate your mind for the sake of making you piss yourself and throw out podcast soundbites when you see red, and it worked seemingly. At at the same time literal fascists were put in positions of great influence under our noses, but apparently that's not much of a problem because you can coom yourself to death and facilitate further spiritual decay. If there is any ideology (not like those actually matter in politics, The Prince was written in the 16th century for God's sake) which should be the subject of your ire, it should be the status quo and not these uneducated pie in the sky stabs at defining a school of thought you haven't read a single book on (who's original manuscript isn't in crayon). |
TibetanJazz666Aug 10, 2023 4:33 AM
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deg said: free market will lead to market monopolies no matter what that is how survival of the fittest work and it applies to businesses too There's no simple rule that all regulations help small businesses survive or that no regulation has ever prevented increased market concentration (e.g. blocking mergers.) Do you agree that sometimes regulations harm small businesses and help big businesses take over more of the market? |
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deg said: thats just crony capitalism right? better government anti monopoly laws can help I'll give a simple example. Many US cities create regulations on food trucks saying they cannot be too close to restaurants even if a business would allow the truck to operate close to their store front. They have to operate some distance away. Isn't this a regulation that benefits bigger restaurants over smaller ones? Anti-trust laws/competition laws don't address this kind of thing. |
deg said: Freshell said: I'll give a simple example. Many US cities create regulations on food trucks saying they cannot be too close to restaurants even if a business would allow the truck to operate close to their store front. They have to operate some distance away. Isn't this a regulation that benefits bigger restaurants over smaller ones? Anti-trust laws/competition laws don't address this kind of thing. sure but weighing the overall positives of a government managing the economy is still good imo im no fan of pure capitalism since its operates on greed or profit over people in most cases so to me a government is still a necessary evil I'm just seeing if you'd agree to a balanced view. Sometimes regulations are good (like preventing mergers) and sometimes regulations are bad because they make it harder for small businesses to function. Agreed? |
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deg said: Setting aside for a moment, that the government is a de facto monopoly, you have to understand that not all monopolies are equal. I could have a de facto monopoly on a local newspaper, but that doesn't mean that the market is necessarily a monopoly as a whole. What you are suggesting, is that the government should break up so called monopolies, yet provide no evidence on why it should do so, or even what level of monopoly you are even talking about. Regulations tend to benefit the established players, and keep new competition out. You have to provide some evidence to the contrary other than "that's survival of the fittest"StarfireDragon said: Not true. Heavy regulation of the economy is what leads to corruption. It's not easy for a small business to lobby congress as much as it is for a large corporation. The big companies will always be well equipped to deal with the regulations, all the while removing the alternatives that are not nearly as well equipped. "Good government" is a misnomer, since it looks at what the government should do, not what it is likely to do. free market will lead to market monopolies no matter what that is how survival of the fittest work and it applies to businesses too at least with good government especially a working election and transparency there will be less crony capitalism and governments can break up monopolies no fan of pure capitalism since its operates on greed or profit over people in most cases so to me a government is still a necessary evil Do you really think there is any economic system that isn't based on greed? You think that the dictators of socialist countries are all altruist? Or the regulators? They aren't at all self interested? |
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